Legislature(1999 - 2000)

05/14/1999 08:12 AM Senate FIN

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SENATE BILL NO. 76                                                                                                              
"An Act authorizing an advisory vote on whether                                                                                 
appropriations of income from the permanent fund                                                                                
should be restricted; and providing for an effective                                                                            
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the second hearing for this bill in the Senate                                                                         
Finance Committee. A committee substitute, 1-LS0493\M, was                                                                      
adopted as a Workdraft in the previous hearing.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson reminded the Committee there had                                                                        
been discussion in the bill's previous hearing regarding an                                                                     
updated Governor's plan. Because of the discussion, he had                                                                      
invited a Cabinet member to address that plan. He noted                                                                         
that in-depth information showing assumptions and how the                                                                       
plan works was not available at this time.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WILSON CONDON, Commissioner, Department of Revenue, came to                                                                     
the table to explain the Governor's plan to the Committee.                                                                      
He referred to a spreadsheet entitled, "Comparison of                                                                           
Financial Plans" [Copy on File]. The handout showed                                                                             
comparisons of the plans to address the State's financial                                                                       
situation that had been suggested by the Governor, the                                                                          
House Majority and the Senate Majority.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Wilson Condon felt it is important when doing comparisons                                                                       
to use a consistent set of assumptions. He stated that the                                                                      
assumptions used in this spreadsheet are different than                                                                         
assumptions on the handouts referenced during the first                                                                         
Senate Finance Committee hearing on the bill.  He thought                                                                       
that one of the assumptions needing to be consistent for                                                                        
comparison is the "rate of return". The rate of 8.25                                                                            
percent is too risky, in his opinion. However, in looking                                                                       
at the Senate Majority's proposed plan, he suggested that a                                                                     
payout of 5.25 percent could be used within an 8.1 percent                                                                      
return strategy. He stipulated that in order to do that,                                                                        
the five-year average pay-out formula included in the plan                                                                      
must be maintained. He defined five-year payout formula as,                                                                     
"the value of the assets of the fund four years ago.                                                                            
averaging the value two years ago, three years ago, four                                                                        
years ago, five years ago and six years ago." He continued                                                                      
saying that those 20 quarters are used to determine the                                                                         
base that is then multiplied by 5.25 percent. Over time, he                                                                     
said, the value will always be adequately lower than the                                                                        
average value of the fund today and that a 5.25 percent                                                                         
payout probably will work. He cautioned that it would be                                                                        
close and that he would be more comfortable if the payout                                                                       
was lower.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Wilson Condon stated that the spreadsheet uses both and 8.1                                                                     
percent projected median case over time rate of return                                                                          
strategy and a 5.1 percent payout, which is different than                                                                      
proposed in the Senate Majority plan. He commented that if                                                                      
he had more time, he would have prepared a comparison for                                                                       
the Committee using an 8.1 percent return strategy and a                                                                        
5.25 percent payout strategy. He thought that comparison                                                                        
would have honored the provisions of the Senate Majority                                                                        
proposed plan and provided an accurate comparison to the                                                                        
Governor's proposed plan.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Wilson Condon noted that he and the Committee had discussed                                                                     
the elements of the different plans. He reiterated that the                                                                     
Governor's plan is to make a one-time transfer of the                                                                           
earnings from the permanent fund into the Constitutional                                                                        
Budget Reserve (CBR) fund to pay for public services.  He                                                                       
projected that in order to make the plan work at a median                                                                       
case over time, additional transfers would have to be made                                                                      
in the future. Under the median case, the CBR would run out                                                                     
of money sometime around 2012-13, so the transfer would                                                                         
need to be made in 2010, according to Wilson Condon.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips wanted to know if the Governor's                                                                         
plan includes a $4 billion immediate transfer from the                                                                          
permanent fund to the CBR for 1999 or 2000 expenditures.                                                                        
Wilson Condon responded that the Governor's plan, announced                                                                     
in the State of the State address, would have made the                                                                          
transfer at the end of this fiscal year, 1999.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips continued his questioning, asking if                                                                     
the plan then requests another transfer, and if so, when.                                                                       
Wilson Condon restated the year for the next transfer would                                                                     
be 2010. Senator Randy Phillips then asked if and when a                                                                        
third transfer would be requested. Wilson Condon replied it                                                                     
would probably be in 2020.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips summarized his understanding of the                                                                      
Governor's plan is to make three transfers of $4 billion                                                                        
each from the permanent fund into the CBR in the years                                                                          
1999, 2010 and 2020. Wilson Condon agreed, pointing out the                                                                     
information is shown on the spreadsheet.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips wanted to get the facts on the table                                                                     
for the purpose of drafting ballot language for the                                                                             
advisory vote.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Wilson Condon continued his presentation listing another                                                                        
element of the Governor's plan as the broad-based tax that                                                                      
would raise $350 million a year beginning in fiscal year                                                                        
2001.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Wilson Condon stated that the target rate of return on the                                                                      
CBR is 8.1 percent under the Governor's plan. He noted that                                                                     
initially the target rate of return for the permanent fund                                                                      
would not change. However, under reconsideration, he stated                                                                     
that a change made sense.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell noted the spreadsheet indicates a 25-                                                                      
percent reduction of permanent fund dedication and                                                                              
corrected additional oil revenue. He asked if this                                                                              
information was based on legislation sponsored by                                                                               
Representative Norm Rokeburg, HB 96. Wilson Condon answered                                                                     
the inclusion of the data on the spreadsheet is not an                                                                          
endorsement of the bill by the Governor, but rather an                                                                          
effort to use a common set of assumptions to compare the                                                                        
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell clarified that the Governor did not                                                                        
support, nor oppose HB 96. Therefore, he surmised that the                                                                      
spreadsheet does not reflect the Governor's plan. Wilson                                                                        
Condon reiterated that the spreadsheet was prepared to                                                                          
compare the three plans using a common set of assumptions.                                                                      
He admitted that all parties had not necessarily used the                                                                       
same set of assumptions when drafting plans, but stressed                                                                       
that common assumptions must be used to accurately compare                                                                      
the plans.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell asked if because of the common                                                                             
assumptions, the permanent fund dividend data shown on the                                                                      
spreadsheet does not necessarily reflect the predictions                                                                        
made in the Governor's plan. Wilson Condon replied that the                                                                     
data is very close.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips asked when the income tax component                                                                      
of the Governor's plan begins. Wilson Condon referred to                                                                        
the State of the State speech, where the Governor proposed                                                                      
the income tax would be imposed beginning in the calendar                                                                       
year 2000.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson commented that the witness, in past                                                                     
testimony repeatedly stressed that an 8.25 rate of return                                                                       
is not achievable. However, the spreadsheet before the                                                                          
Committee today uses that rate. He asked for an                                                                                 
explanation. Wilson Condon responded that is the target                                                                         
rate of return used in the House Majority plan. He believed                                                                     
it to be the same target rate used in the Senate Majority                                                                       
plan as well. He again cited the need for common                                                                                
assumptions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Wilson Condon stated there would need to be a trade off                                                                         
between the size of the dividend and other revenue, taxes                                                                       
or otherwise. The level of the dividend would be a function                                                                     
of the decision of whether or not to impose a tax, he                                                                           
explained. He pointed out that the Governor offered a                                                                           
policy choice of a tax with a higher dividend. Wilson                                                                           
Condon expressed that another choice could be made to have                                                                      
no taxes and a lower dividend. He noted this option was                                                                         
represented in all three plans although he was unsure what                                                                      
the new revenue source in the Senate Majority plan was. It                                                                      
looked to him that two separate line items were included to                                                                     
accommodate new oil revenue but he didn't know if the two                                                                       
line items reflected a double accounting of the revenue.                                                                        
He noted additional cuts to public services but he didn't                                                                       
know if those services had been identified. To summarize                                                                        
his comments on the Senate Majority plan, he felt 8.25 was                                                                      
too risky. However he believed the plan's payout rule of                                                                        
5.25 percent would work without such an aggressive earnings                                                                     
target.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell was concerned "because one day the                                                                         
Governor's plan seems to have spots, the next day it seems                                                                      
to have stripes."  He referred to the comparisons made at                                                                       
this meeting using the 25-percent dedication proposed in HB
96 and discrepancies with the acceptability of the 8.25                                                                         
percent rate of return.  He asked, "Where do we go for a                                                                        
definitive view of the Governor's proposal?" He stressed                                                                        
that if the advisory vote is to give an accurate portrayal                                                                      
of each plan, the Committee needs information, such as an                                                                       
updated spreadsheet.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Wilson Condon offered to provide a spreadsheet.  He                                                                             
commented that the 8.25 percent comparison was prepared for                                                                     
presentation to the House Finance Committee earlier in the                                                                      
week. At that hearing, he carefully explained that the 8.25                                                                     
percent did not reflect the Governor's plan and was simply                                                                      
and effort to put the plans on a common basis. He did not                                                                       
feel it was fair to characterize the use of a spreadsheet                                                                       
using the 8.25 percent figures as an inability to "land on                                                                      
a particular square."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson commented that the last permanent                                                                       
fund earning figure was 8.13 and he asked why that figure                                                                       
was not used. Wilson Condon had not seen that number so he                                                                      
could not comment, except to say that a figure of                                                                               
approximately 8.1 is what he believed an earnings target                                                                        
ought to be.  Co-Chair John Torgerson asked if the witness                                                                      
used the earnings estimates of the Permanent Fund Division                                                                      
or if he changed the numbers. Wilson Condon replied that he                                                                     
looked at numbers prepared for the division to make his 8.1                                                                     
percent recommendation.  There was further debate if the                                                                        
Commissioner had actually seen the 8.13 figure.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips asked if the Committee would get                                                                         
different numbers than those presented on the spreadsheet                                                                       
before the members today. He ascertained that the                                                                               
information was not actually the Governor's plan. Wilson                                                                        
Condon said that he would provide a backup spreadsheet.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips wanted to know what the dividend                                                                         
would be for the year 2001 under the Governor's plan.                                                                           
Wilson Condon replied the amount would be between $1750 and                                                                     
$1800. He noted that the spreadsheet indicated the amount                                                                       
would be $1796, but that the actual amount would be                                                                             
different. Senator Randy Phillips wanted an exact number.                                                                       
He also wanted a projected dividend amount for the year                                                                         
2010 using the official Governor's plan. Wilson Condon                                                                          
stated that he would provide those projected figures                                                                            
according to what the Governor proposed in his State of the                                                                     
State address.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson asked if it would be a fair                                                                             
statement to say that in the plan before the Committee, the                                                                     
Governor is instituting a personal income tax in order to                                                                       
keep the dividend higher.  Wilson Condon didn't think it                                                                        
was an exact portrayal, but it was close, because                                                                               
collecting a broad based tax permits a higher dividend.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson thought the Governor's original                                                                         
plan showed a substantial decline in the dividend to below                                                                      
$1000 in the year 2001 after the sale of realized gains.                                                                        
Wilson Condon didn't remember how far the dividend declined                                                                     
but noted that if assets were sold in order to transfer                                                                         
funds to the CBR, the dividend would spike up                                                                                   
substantially. At the time the Governor made the original                                                                       
proposal, Wilson Condon said they were uncertain whether or                                                                     
not the transfer to the CBR could be made without selling                                                                       
assets.  Therefore, to be conservative, the original plan                                                                       
did not reflect the spike. He noted that the transfer could                                                                     
be made which will result in a fairly level stream of                                                                           
dividends, rather than a spike up and then a big decline.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson asked if for each of the years                                                                          
having the $4 billion transfer, the dividend spike would                                                                        
not happen. Wilson Condon affirmed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips wanted to know what other taxes                                                                          
would be used for the broad-based tax other than personal                                                                       
income.  Wilson Condon responded that the Governor would                                                                        
welcome any broad-based tax that the legislature enacted,                                                                       
including a sales tax. Senator Randy Phillips wanted to                                                                         
know what other tax the Governor actually proposed. He                                                                          
asked if the proposed gasoline tax was considered a broad-                                                                      
based tax and was part of the plan. Wilson Condon said it                                                                       
was included but that it would not generate the needed                                                                          
income.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken noted an earlier request from the                                                                           
Committee for a reconciliation of the number of employees                                                                       
needed to administration the personal income tax. That                                                                          
information had not been provided to him. Wilson Condon                                                                         
apologized for the oversight.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE MCCONNELL, Director, Office of Management and                                                                           
Budget, Office of the Governor, did not want to miss the                                                                        
opportunity to say that the Administration applauds the                                                                         
Senate for making a commitment to a public vote on the use                                                                      
of the permanent fund earnings. She felt that is an                                                                             
important element of the process to find the best way to                                                                        
achieve long term plan.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
In terms of specific language, Annalee McConnell realized                                                                       
it would need to reflect the proposed plan and need                                                                             
"movement and adjustment" as it goes through the                                                                                
discussion.  She thought the agreement on a common set of                                                                       
assumptions was a positive step.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell noted there are a number of issues to                                                                         
consider when framing the question on the ballot. She said                                                                      
the Administration continues to believe that the best                                                                           
outcome of this session would be a consensus plan that                                                                          
could be supported by the Legislature and the                                                                                   
Administration; by the Majority and the Minority; by the                                                                        
House of Representatives and the Senate.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell stated that the basis element of concern                                                                      
is if the public agrees that the use of permanent fund                                                                          
earnings is appropriate at this time. She was sensitive                                                                         
that the ballot question needs to be framed in such a way                                                                       
that the public perceives it as being objective, clear, not                                                                     
confusing and also that the public not feel that there is                                                                       
any political agenda or attempt to "pull one over." She                                                                         
stressed the need to be conscious of how the public views                                                                       
the question before them.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips said he was working on two options                                                                       
for the voter to chose between and to have a balanced and                                                                       
fair portrayal of Plan A and Plan B so that hopefully the                                                                       
people of Alaska could trust it.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips asked if the Governor plans on any                                                                       
further spending reductions over the next three years and                                                                       
if so, how much.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell responded that she hopes there would be a                                                                     
common plan that all parties can support and said the                                                                           
Administration was willing to work toward reasonable budget                                                                     
projections. She said the projection should inform the                                                                          
public of any additional cuts plus the needed increases in                                                                      
the future. She noted that the Senate Majority' plan                                                                            
acknowledges the need for some increase in the future.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell stressed that there was still a basic                                                                         
question of whether the best way to approach the ballot                                                                         
issue is with a choice of two plans or to focus on the                                                                          
element of permanent fund earnings. She relayed the                                                                             
question raised by some as to the degree with which the                                                                         
Legislature should be seeking public votes on every aspect                                                                      
of plans, such as budget cuts or types of revenue.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell noted that the plan the Governor proposed                                                                     
in January had evolved and included the possible passage of                                                                     
HB 96. She urged that any plan not be pinned down, but to                                                                       
leave room for elements that everyone could be comfortable                                                                      
with.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips asserted that his constituents are                                                                       
demanding, not asking, for budget cuts.  Therefore, he                                                                          
wanted to make the ballot question fair. He noted that Plan                                                                     
A includes over $100 million in reductions over the next                                                                        
three fiscal years. Plan B, he noted has no plans for                                                                           
further reductions in state spending. He stressed that the                                                                      
public is saying "show us the cuts" before coming to them                                                                       
with new taxes. He said that the public wants to know where                                                                     
the reductions are made and how they are affected.                                                                              
Therefore, he wanted to know the Administration's plans for                                                                     
further reductions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair John Torgerson wanted to know if the spreadsheets                                                                      
the Commissioner of Department of Revenue was preparing                                                                         
would reflect the Governor's modified plan.  Annalee                                                                            
McConnell stated the Administration prefers a plan that all                                                                     
parties agree upon. She believed that it is in the best                                                                         
interest of the state to have a plan to present to the                                                                          
public that has joint support. She suggested that to put a                                                                      
plan on the ballot that claims $100 million of cuts does                                                                        
not tell the public what the cuts will look like. She                                                                           
predicted that the public will have a much different view                                                                       
of how far the cuts are going today then they had earlier.                                                                      
She wanted the ballot language to include information about                                                                     
what the proposed budget reductions will be, so the voters                                                                      
can make an appropriate decision whether they want the cuts                                                                     
to go that far.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell emphasized that the simplest area to                                                                          
focus on is the use of permanent fund earnings. She did not                                                                     
think the demand was for a vote on the level of funding for                                                                     
the operating and capital budgets, but rather on the                                                                            
permanent fund earnings.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson took from her statement that the                                                                        
public does not care how much is drawn from the permanent                                                                       
fund. By leaving out the issues of potential revenues and                                                                       
spending cuts, which has an effect on how much money needs                                                                      
to be transferred from the permanent fund, the public can                                                                       
only say whether or not they want the fund tapped. He                                                                           
disagreed that the public is not interested in more                                                                             
involvement. Annalee McConnell clarified that she did not                                                                       
hear the public demanding to vote on the level of budget                                                                        
reductions. The responsibility for appropriations lay with                                                                      
the legislature, she stressed, and therefore the public                                                                         
should not be required to vote on the amount of reductions.                                                                     
The most critical place for public approval is whether or                                                                       
not it is time to use permanent fund earnings, she                                                                              
concluded.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell remarked that agreeing on a single                                                                         
plan would be difficult because of the basic philosophical                                                                      
differences with regard to taxes and spending reductions.                                                                       
He stated that these matters are intertwined and the                                                                            
question is not isolated into "should we use the earnings                                                                       
reserve?" He asserted that the voters need to know from a                                                                       
fiscal standpoint why additional revenue and additional                                                                         
reductions are necessary, noting that some voters prefer                                                                        
taxes, others prefer further cuts and still others prefer                                                                       
using the earnings reserve.  In order for the Legislature                                                                       
and the Governor to arrive at one common plan, Senator Sean                                                                     
Parnell stressed that there would have to be agreement on                                                                       
those basic elements.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell asked if the Governor's insistence on                                                                      
a broad-based tax is a requirement that must be included                                                                        
before the Administration could agree on a plan. Annalee                                                                        
McConnell continued to hold out hope that the wrestling of                                                                      
the policy issues happens as a normal part of the                                                                               
legislative process and that ultimately agreement will be                                                                       
reached on a plan that balances those issues. In the best                                                                       
of worlds, she believed a plan would be made that was                                                                           
supported by all involved parties. She emphasized that the                                                                      
power of that plan could not be underestimated in its                                                                           
message to the public.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell continued by acknowledging that there are                                                                     
some differences of opinion on what is a fair balance                                                                           
between the permanent fund dividend and other kinds of                                                                          
revenue. She noted that neither the House Majority plan nor                                                                     
the Senate Majority plan specifies the additional sources                                                                       
of revenue.  She said there is disagreement about whether                                                                       
there should be an income tax or sales tax as opposed to                                                                        
strictly using the permanent fund dividend. These taxes                                                                         
would treat everyone equally regardless of their income                                                                         
level, in her opinion.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell felt it was appropriate that the Senate                                                                       
Majority detail the elements of its plan to the public with                                                                     
regard to the spending cuts. She said that making $100                                                                          
million in reductions would be very difficult for the                                                                           
finance committees. On the other side, she believed there                                                                       
should be further definition of the additional revenues and                                                                     
how realistic they are. Then, she stressed, the public                                                                          
could decide whether they think it is fair that a family of                                                                     
four earning $30,000 be impacted by the plan the same as a                                                                      
family of four earning $300,000. She stated that currently,                                                                     
with no broad-based tax, the impact of the plan hits people                                                                     
at the same flat dollar amount regardless of the percentage                                                                     
of their income.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips asked if the witness is looking for                                                                      
a long-term balanced budget plan. Annalee McConnell                                                                             
responded that is everyone's plan.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips then asked if the witness was                                                                            
insisting on a vote addressing only the use the earnings                                                                        
account. Annalee McConnell answered that was incorrect, and                                                                     
that choices need to be made during these discussions, such                                                                     
as should the ballot propose an "either/or" or a "yes/no"                                                                       
choice on the element of using the permanent fund earnings.                                                                     
The Administration did not have a final recommendation at                                                                       
this point, but she felt all involved need to think it                                                                          
through keeping in mind how the public would perceive the                                                                       
ballot question. Some people have said to her they are                                                                          
afraid that an either-or choice is going to make the public                                                                     
even more frustrated because they don't like either choice                                                                      
and want to vote against both options. She thought there                                                                        
needed to be more discussion to find the best way to                                                                            
communicate the issue to the public and show why a plan is                                                                      
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Al Adams wished the Administration would listen to                                                                      
the Majority's intention to make additional budget cuts and                                                                     
that the Administration would simply eliminate 1000                                                                             
positions or an equal amount of goods and services in                                                                           
Anchorage. He stressed that Anchorage is the area of the                                                                        
state asking for the cuts.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly disagreed with the statement that to                                                                         
reduce the permanent fund dividend is unfair because it                                                                         
takes a larger percentage of some incomes than from others.                                                                     
He stressed that the dividend is not distributed based on                                                                       
income and therefore, everyone is treated equally when                                                                          
receiving the dividend. He recommended that if the                                                                              
Committee is going to entertain the idea of reducing the                                                                        
dividend, then it should be done on the same level, not                                                                         
looking at income. He believed the dividend is distributed                                                                      
in the fairest manner and any reductions should also be                                                                         
done fairly.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Annalee McConnell repeated her comment on working together.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #1: This amendment inserts into the Plan A                                                                            
description, "Permanent fund dividends in 2001 will be                                                                          
approximately $1250, a reduction which will yield                                                                               
approximately $254 million in additional revenue available                                                                      
for government operations." Senator Al Adams moved for                                                                          
adoption stating that the intent of the Senate Minority is                                                                      
to make the ballot language as informative as possible.                                                                         
Senator Randy Phillips objected. Senator Al Adams explained                                                                     
the language shows the amount of revenue created by the                                                                         
dividend reduction and will allow voters a better plan                                                                          
comparison. He noted that Plan B yields $350 million from a                                                                     
personal income tax. He thought the comparison defines the                                                                      
difference in the underlying principle of the two plans.                                                                        
Plan A is a "flat tax", which taxes children as well as                                                                         
adults and will have a bigger impact on low income                                                                              
Alaskans, he emphasized. He added that Plan B includes a                                                                        
personal income tax for resident and nonresident workers                                                                        
and taxes low-income Alaskans less than the wealthy ones.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson asked which version of the                                                                              
Governor's plan did this amendment address.  Senator Al                                                                         
Adams replied it applies to the most current plan. Co-Chair                                                                     
John Torgerson noted that in his mind the only plan the                                                                         
Governor had endorsed was the one introduced in January,                                                                        
which was represented in Plan B of the committee substitute                                                                     
and did not show an estimated dollar amount of income tax                                                                       
revenue. He said if a corresponding amendment to insert                                                                         
that amount were offered, he would consider supporting the                                                                      
amendment currently before the Committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell noted the amendment's sponsor                                                                              
indicated the intent is to bring forth information for the                                                                      
public. However, Senator Randy Phillips had another                                                                             
amendment that would address the amounts so he would                                                                            
maintain his objection.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman advised that a graphical presentation                                                                       
of the impacts showing not only the dividend but also all                                                                       
revenues and spending should be part of the information                                                                         
packet sent to all voters.  He thought the voters would                                                                         
want to see the short-term and the long-term impacts and                                                                        
that the legislature needs to make sure the graphic                                                                             
information is clear and accurate. He believed that by                                                                          
simply listing numbers would only confuse voters.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Al Adams pointed out that under the Governor's                                                                          
plan, a personal income tax would generate $350 million and                                                                     
that information should be provided to the voters as well.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The amendment FAILED to be adopted by a vote of 1-8.                                                                            
Senator Al Adams cast the yea vote.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #2: This amendment changes the description of                                                                         
Plan A, New Revenues, deleting, "An income tax would not be                                                                     
enacted" and inserting, "or taxes" after "Use at least                                                                          
$100,000,000 in new revenues".  Senator Al Adams moved for                                                                      
adoption. Senator Sean Parnell objected. Senator Al Adams                                                                       
explained that the Minority did not know what the new                                                                           
revenue would be, but that it could actually be taxes. He                                                                       
referred to other pending legislation that would tax                                                                            
certain kinds of investments and advised the language                                                                           
should be flexible since a tax could be imposed in the                                                                          
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The amendment FAILED to be adopted by a vote of 1-8.                                                                            
Senator Al Adams cast the yea vote.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #3: This amendment adds Plan C, which uses the                                                                        
permanent fund earnings reserve to inflation-proof the                                                                          
principal of the permanent fund, pay dividends under the                                                                        
current method for calculation and provide approximately                                                                        
$900 million to fund education, including the University of                                                                     
Alaska. Plan C requires no budget reductions or income tax.                                                                     
Senator Al Adams moved for adoption. Co-Chair John                                                                              
Torgerson objected. Senator Al Adams referred to                                                                                
legislation sponsored by Senator Tim Kelly, SB 75 that                                                                          
proposes using $900 million from the earnings reserve to                                                                        
fund education. Senator Al Adams detailed how Plan C could                                                                      
enact that funding, allow continued dividends, require no                                                                       
additional budget cuts or impose any new taxes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips questioned the validity of having                                                                        
three plans. He rhetorically asked if this plan received                                                                        
30-percent of the votes, would it prevail even though 60-                                                                       
percent voted against it by casting their vote for another                                                                      
plan. He suggested there could be need for a run off                                                                            
election to settle the matter.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The amendment FAILED to be adopted by a vote of 1-8.                                                                            
Senator Al Adams voted in favor.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #4: This amendment changes the language on the                                                                        
ballot. Senator Randy Phillips did NOT OFFER this amendment                                                                     
deferring to Amendment #6.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #5: This amendment changes the language of the                                                                        
preamble to read, "Alaska's declining oil production and                                                                        
erratic world oil prices produce an unsustainable state                                                                         
budget system. The legislature and governor seek the                                                                            
public's input in choosing a long-term budget plan. Please                                                                      
select the plan you believe Alaska should implement for a                                                                       
balanced budget." Senator Randy Phillips moved for                                                                              
adoption. He then detailed proposed amendments to the                                                                           
amendment as follows. First sentence: delete "system"                                                                           
insert "plan". Second sentence: delete "the public's" and                                                                       
insert "[seek]s Alaskan's"; delete "choosing" and insert                                                                        
"selecting"; after "long-term" insert "balanced".                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The amended amendment, and thus the preamble, would read,                                                                       
"Alaska's declining oil production and erratic world oil                                                                        
prices produce an unsustainable state budget plan. The                                                                          
legislature and governor seeks Alaskan's input in choosing                                                                      
a long-term budget plan. Please select the plan you believe                                                                     
Alaska should implement for a long-term balanced budget."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson asked if the amendment retains the                                                                      
sentence instructing each voter to "Please mark "yes" or                                                                        
"no" beside one or both plans that you believe the                                                                              
legislature or governor should proceed to implement as a                                                                        
balanced budget plan." Senator Randy Phillips affirmed the                                                                      
sentence does remain. Senator Sean Parnell informed the                                                                         
Committee that he had talked to Senator Randy Phillips                                                                          
earlier and expressed an interest in taking up that                                                                             
question separate from the other amendments. Senator Sean                                                                       
Parnell assured this language change does not affect the                                                                        
intent of the committee substitute.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson pointed out that technically, this                                                                      
amendment deletes the "yes or no" sentence in stating,                                                                          
"delete preamble and replace with:". Senator Sean Parnell                                                                       
moved to amend the amendment to retain the sentence located                                                                     
on page 1 line 12, the "yes or no" sentence, of the                                                                             
committee substitute. Because another motion to amend the                                                                       
amendment was on the table, this motion was out of order                                                                        
and not acted upon.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman liked the changes proposed for the                                                                          
second and third sentences but did not like the proposed                                                                        
first sentence, preferring the original language instead.                                                                       
He said he did not think the statement was accurate,                                                                            
stressing that the oil production situation did not produce                                                                     
an unstable plan, although he did attribute the low prices                                                                      
to an unstable budget and revenue generation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips countered that the previous year,                                                                        
the Legislature did not project oil prices would drop to                                                                        
ten dollars per barrel. Senator Loren Leman did not argue                                                                       
that point, but suggested removing the change of "system"                                                                       
to "plan" in the amendment to the amendment. Co-Chair John                                                                      
Torgerson commented that Senator Loren Leman's suggestion                                                                       
would be cleaner.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman stated he supported the idea of having                                                                      
voters chose between two plans.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman moved to divide the question. There was                                                                     
discussion as to the proper procedure.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 10:57AM / 11:07AM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
It was determined that an amendment to the amendment to the                                                                     
amendment was not allowed under the Uniform Rules.                                                                              
Therefore the motion was out of order.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to WITHDRAW the motion to                                                                          
amend Amendment #5. He then moved to WITHDRAW the motion to                                                                     
adopt Amendment #5 and to HOLD it until the other                                                                               
amendments had been taken up. There were no objections.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #6: This amendment changes the language                                                                               
describing Plan A and Plan B as follows:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Plan A                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Summary of Plan A: Plan A has further spending                                                                                  
reductions. Dividends are a percentage of the value of                                                                          
the Alaska Permanent Fund. This plan has no personal                                                                            
income tax.                                                                                                                     
(1) Spending Reductions/Spending Limits                                                                                         
Continue state general fund budget reductions of                                                                                
at least $100 million over the next three fiscal                                                                                
years.                                                                                                                          
(2) Permanent Fund                                                                                                              
Guarantee the Alaska Permanent Fund is inflation-                                                                               
proofed to protect the value of the principal of                                                                                
the fund for all Alaskans, including future                                                                                     
generations.                                                                                                                    
(3) Permanent Fund Dividends                                                                                                    
Guarantee a dividend is paid to qualified Alaska                                                                                
residents at a minimum of $1,700 in 1999 and                                                                                    
$1,700 in 2000. Thereafter, the annual dividend                                                                                 
is based on a rate of 2.75 percent of the market                                                                                
value of the Alaska Permanent Fund, including the                                                                               
Alaska Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve Account.                                                                                 
These dividends are projected to be $1,250 in                                                                                   
2001 to $1,430 in 2010.                                                                                                         
(4) Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve                                                                                             
Guarantees inflation-proofing the Alaska                                                                                        
Permanent Fund and pays Permanent Fund Dividends,                                                                               
then prioritizes remaining funds in the Alaska                                                                                  
Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve Account for                                                                                     
education, public safety, and transportation.                                                                                   
(5) New Revenues                                                                                                                
Use at least $100 million in new revenues. No new                                                                               
broad-based taxes.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Plan B                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Summary of Plan B: Plan B has no further state                                                                                  
spending reductions. Dividends from the Alaska                                                                                  
Permanent Fund are calculated under the current                                                                                 
method. This plan includes a personal income tax.                                                                               
(1) Spending Reductions                                                                                                         
No further reductions to state spending.                                                                                        
(2) Permanent Fund                                                                                                              
Guarantee the Alaska Permanent Fund is inflation-                                                                               
proofed to protect the value of the principal of                                                                                
the fund for all Alaskans, including future                                                                                     
generations.                                                                                                                    
(3) Permanent Fund Dividends                                                                                                    
Dividend will not be changed from the current                                                                                   
formula and method of calculation.                                                                                              
(4) Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve                                                                                             
Immediately transfer $4 billion from the                                                                                        
permanent fund earnings to the Constitutional                                                                                   
Budget Reserve Fund with an additional $4 billion                                                                               
dollars in 2011, and $4 billion dollars in 2020.                                                                                
Spend the Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund                                                                                    
earnings for state government services.                                                                                         
(5) Income Tax                                                                                                                  
Impose a personal income tax on all wage earners                                                                                
projected to be 31 % of a person's federal income                                                                               
tax, collecting $350 million.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved for adoption. Senator Pete                                                                         
Kelly objected. Senator Randy Phillips noted that because                                                                       
of information just received in this hearing, he would have                                                                     
changes to propose to this amendment. He shared his intent                                                                      
with this amendment to explain both plans in brief language                                                                     
and then label what each plan does side-by-side for easier                                                                      
comparison.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly voiced his intention to amend the                                                                            
amendment during this discussion.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
In Senator Randy Phillips view, the Administration brought                                                                      
up a good point in advising that Plan A should describe the                                                                     
effects of the $100 million spending reductions. He thought                                                                     
that the ballot language needed to say what would be cut.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips next suggested changing the listed                                                                       
amount of the permanent fund dividends in Plan A for the                                                                        
years 2001 and 2010 to $1258 and $1417 respectively, based                                                                      
on the new information provided by the Department of                                                                            
Revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips then stated he thought there should                                                                      
be discussion about education, public safety and                                                                                
transportation in the Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve                                                                           
paragraph under Plan A.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips's final recommendation on Plan A                                                                         
language was to switch the two sentences in the New                                                                             
Revenues paragraph so the paragraph begins with "No new                                                                         
broad-based taxes." and ends with, "Use at least $100                                                                           
million in new revenues." He wanted examples of the new                                                                         
revenues listed on the ballot.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips then suggested the language                                                                              
describing Plan B include the projected dollar amounts of                                                                       
the permanent fund dividend of approximately $1750 in the                                                                       
year 2001 and $1800 in the year 2010.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Al Adams asked if dividend amounts projected under                                                                      
Plan B should be listed for the years 1999 and 2000 as                                                                          
well. Senator Randy Phillips responded that he wanted to                                                                        
make the language for both plans correspond.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips next recommended changing language                                                                       
in the Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve paragraph of Plan B                                                                      
to read, "followed by $4 billion in 2011 and $4 billion in                                                                      
2020.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips wanted to also change the final                                                                          
paragraph heading of Plan B to "New Revenues" to conform to                                                                     
Plan A.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell requested that these items be acted                                                                        
upon as amendments to the amendment as they are proposed.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips concluded his suggestions by saying                                                                      
he wanted to insert specific dates to indicate when the                                                                         
income tax and the gasoline tax begin.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green asked if the Committee didn't already                                                                        
question the accuracy of some of the information presented                                                                      
by the Administration and proposed for insertion into this                                                                      
amendment.  Co-Chair John Torgerson stated he could not                                                                         
support much of what was before the Committee at this time.                                                                     
He stressed that if a "side-by-side" approach is taken,                                                                         
detailed spreadsheets must be provided by the Governor                                                                          
detailing the Governor's plan.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley suggested assigning a subcommittee to                                                                       
work out the details.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 11:19AM / 11:23AM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to amend Amendment #6 (1) to                                                                       
delete "Spending Limits" from the first paragraph heading                                                                       
of Plan A. He explained that he originally had included the                                                                     
language due to discussions about a proposed constitutional                                                                     
spending limit. However, since there would be no such                                                                           
constitutional amendment, he wanted the heading to be                                                                           
clearly labeled as spending reductions. Senator Dave Donley                                                                     
objected. Senator Randy Phillips pointed out that there is                                                                      
no mention of a spending limit in either plan. Senator Dave                                                                     
Donley argued that the amendment itself deleted language                                                                        
relating to spending limits and that language should be                                                                         
added to support a constitutional amendment requiring                                                                           
spending limits.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips WITHDREW his motion. There was no                                                                        
objection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to amend Amendment #6 (2) to                                                                       
insert, "and enact a spending limit" at the end of the                                                                          
sentence in the first paragraph of Plan A. Senator Gary                                                                         
Wilken asked what was a "spending limit".  Senator Dave                                                                         
Donley explained the state constitution already contains a                                                                      
spending limit, but that it has never worked. He wanted to                                                                      
make it clear to voters that an effective constitutional                                                                        
spending limit must be enacted in order for a balanced                                                                          
budget to be successful. He wanted the voters to give that                                                                      
direction to the legislature during this advisory vote.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson advised that the word "enact" could                                                                     
not be used in this ballot question. He suggested "place                                                                        
before voters" instead.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken cautioned that there are different                                                                          
understandings in the legislature of what a spending limit                                                                      
stands for, suggesting that some take it to mean "tax cap".                                                                     
He stated that he had no problem with the intent, but had                                                                       
concerns with the wording and trying to defend it                                                                               
unprepared. He recommended against a constitutional                                                                             
amendment until the definition of "spending limit" is                                                                           
agreed upon.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The motion to amend Amendment #6 (2) FAILED by a vote of 1-                                                                     
8. Senator Randy Phillips cast the yea vote.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips reintroduced his motion to amend                                                                         
Amendment #6 (3) to delete "Spending Limits" from the first                                                                     
paragraph heading of Plan A. He WITHDREW his motion to                                                                          
defer to Senator Dave Donley.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley moved to amend Amendment #6 (4) to                                                                          
insert, "that is placed before the voters an effective                                                                          
constitutional spending limit" at the end of the sentence                                                                       
in the first paragraph of Plan A. Senator Pete Kelly                                                                            
objected. Senator Dave Donley repeated his comment that the                                                                     
original committee substitute has a spending limit                                                                              
provision. He surmised that the only way to enact a                                                                             
spending limit is through a constitutional amendment. He                                                                        
stated that the existing constitutional spending limit is                                                                       
ineffective. He thought it would be fair to suggest to                                                                          
voters that the constitution should be functional and                                                                           
amended to include a usable spending limit. He understood                                                                       
Senator Gary Wilken's concerns regarding the meaning of a                                                                       
spending limit but noted that most of the implementation of                                                                     
this plan would be left up to future legislatures. He                                                                           
speculated that future legislators could draft a proposal                                                                       
to place before voters to enact an effective spending                                                                           
limit.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken pointed out the proposed plan has                                                                           
spending limits that are implied in the numbers shown on                                                                        
the spreadsheets. He wanted to follow that plan. He                                                                             
reminded the Committee that a new constitutional spending                                                                       
limit could be something that future legislatures will not                                                                      
want. He stressed, "Until we know exactly what we're asking                                                                     
for, I suggest we not ask for it."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly spoke to his objection saying he                                                                             
believed the amendment to be too nebulous.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Tape: SFC - 99 #138, Side A    11:32AM                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
By a vote of 4-5, the amendment to Amendment #6 (4) FAILED                                                                      
to be adopted. Senator Randy Phillips, Senator Dave Donley,                                                                     
Senator Sean Parnell and Co-Chair John Torgerson voted in                                                                       
favor.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to amend Amendment #6 (5) to                                                                       
delete "Spending Limits" from the first paragraph heading                                                                       
of Plan A. (This is the same as Amendment #6 (1) and (3).)                                                                      
Senator Pete Kelly objected. Senator Randy Phillips again                                                                       
explained his reason for the change is to reflect the                                                                           
absence of spending limit language in the description. He                                                                       
noted that there is nothing in the ballot language stating                                                                      
that reductions would be made after the three years                                                                             
indicated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken commented that the plan does contain                                                                        
spending limits that are implied by the dollar amounts set                                                                      
for in the plan.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The amendment to Amendment #6 (5) FAILED to be adopted by a                                                                     
vote of 3-6. Senator Randy Phillips, Senator Dave Donley                                                                        
and Senator Sean Parnell voted in favor.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken voiced confusion over the language                                                                          
stating, "at least $100 million over the next three fiscal                                                                      
years." He referenced the Legislative Majority's existing                                                                       
five-year budget reduction plan calling for reductions of                                                                       
$40 million in the year 2000 and $30 million in 2001, the                                                                       
final year of the plan. He asked if the correct                                                                                 
interpretation of the $100 million reductions retains the                                                                       
same amount of reductions for those two years plus an                                                                           
additional $30 million reduction in the year 2002. Senator                                                                      
Randy Phillips replied that in a prior draft, he had the                                                                        
amounts specified as $33.3 million reductions for each of                                                                       
the next three years.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell commented that the intent of the plan                                                                      
is not to "straight-jacket" future legislatures into one                                                                        
particular number. Rather, the intent is to give direction                                                                      
to make $100 million in general fund reductions over the                                                                        
next three years. He noted that the plan calls for $40                                                                          
million the first year and $30 million each of the                                                                              
remaining two years, but he qualified that the reductions                                                                       
don't have to follow those amounts exactly.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 11:36AM / 11:37AM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken moved to amend Amendment #6 (6) to                                                                          
replace "$100 million" with "$70 million" and replace                                                                           
"three fiscal years" with "two fiscal years" in the first                                                                       
paragraph of Plan A.  He explained his intent is to                                                                             
maintain the goal of $40 million in reductions for the year                                                                     
2000 and $30 million in reductions for the year 2001.                                                                           
Senator Dave Donley objected, saying he supported                                                                               
additional reductions.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson said he thought the intent of the                                                                       
amendment is to conform to the Senate Majority's budget                                                                         
reduction plan, although he understood Senator Dave                                                                             
Donley's argument as well.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken affirmed Co-Chair John Torgerson's                                                                          
assessment. He noted that $10 million per year in                                                                               
reductions are included in the Senate Majority's plan                                                                           
beginning in 2003.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Al Adams stated he would be voting against the                                                                          
amendment to the amendment as he believed the reductions                                                                        
are too broad.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips made inaudible comments.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley understood one of the proposed plans                                                                        
does not have the same level of reductions. He stressed                                                                         
that one of the things learned from the model is that these                                                                     
kinds of reductions in the earlier years of the plan make a                                                                     
tremendous impact later. He believed it is good public                                                                          
policy to prescribe to this level of reductions because of                                                                      
the positive future impact.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell thought that his comments regarding to                                                                     
the $100 million in reductions was causing confusion among                                                                      
the members. When he referred to the $100 million total, he                                                                     
was including reductions being made this year plus the next                                                                     
two. He pointed out that Senator Gary Wilken's amendment to                                                                     
the amendment only applies to the two years after this                                                                          
year. The resulting reductions still equal $100 million                                                                         
after three years.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green wanted to know if it is implied there                                                                        
would be no further spending reductions after the year                                                                          
2002.  Co-Chair John Torgerson noted the language specifies                                                                     
"at least" so additional reductions could be made.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #6 (6) was AMENDED by a vote of 6-3. Senator Dave                                                                     
Donley, Senator Loren Leman and Senator Al Adams voted                                                                          
against the motion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips wondered if the ballot language                                                                          
should specify general areas where the cuts would be made.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly moved to amend the amended Amendment #6                                                                      
(7) to delete the heading of paragraph 5 of Plan A, "New                                                                        
Revenues" and insert "No Income Tax". The amended amendment                                                                     
also changes the description of paragraph 5 by replacing                                                                        
"No new broad-based taxes" with, "instead of implementing                                                                       
new broad-based taxes." The two description sentences are                                                                       
combined into one separated by a comma to be grammatically                                                                      
correct. He felt using consistent paragraph headings                                                                            
properly reflects both Plan A and Plan B. Senator Dave                                                                          
Donley objected to the motion.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley was uncertain of the word "use" that                                                                        
began the description sentence. He wanted to know where the                                                                     
new revenues are coming from. He suggesting replacing "use"                                                                     
with "adopt measures to create". In his opinion, that                                                                           
language would parallel the description given in Plan B.                                                                        
Senator Pete Kelly had no objection to Senator Dave Donley'                                                                     
recommendation, but noted that to amend the amendment to                                                                        
the amendment while it is on the table would be out of                                                                          
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips suggested titling paragraph 5 as,                                                                        
"Income Tax" and leaving out, "No".                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
By a vote of 5-4, the amendment to the amended Amendment #6                                                                     
(7) was ADOPTED. Senator Al Adams, Senator Randy Phillips,                                                                      
Senator Loren Leman and Co-Chair John Torgerson voted in                                                                        
opposition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman had drafted language that he felt                                                                           
reflects the consensus of the members and would be easier                                                                       
to work from.  The new amendment was being copied and he                                                                        
advised waiting until the copies were ready for                                                                                 
distribution. Co-Chair John Torgerson stated that if the                                                                        
language was similar to the amendment before the Committee,                                                                     
the same process would have to be done.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly commented that as a voter, he knew what                                                                      
he was looking for and that was an option that does not                                                                         
include taxes. He speculated that the plans would become                                                                        
known as "the one with no income tax" and "the one with an                                                                      
income tax." He therefore suggested moving paragraph 5 to                                                                       
the top of each of the plans, making the income tax item                                                                        
the first description.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips stressed that the language is to be                                                                      
drafted objectively, then paragraph five is mislabeled and                                                                      
should read "Income Tax" on both plans.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to amend the amended Amendment                                                                     
heading of paragraph 5 of Plan A.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
There was no discussion on the motion and no voiced                                                                             
objection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The motion to amend the amended Amendment #6 (8) FAILED by                                                                      
a 2-7 vote. Senator Al Adams and Senator Randy Phillips                                                                         
cast votes in favor of adoption.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly moved to amend the amended Amendment #6                                                                      
(9), which moves paragraph 5, NO INCOME TAX to the                                                                              
beginning of both Plan A and Plan B and renumber the                                                                            
paragraphs accordingly. Senator Randy Phillips objected,                                                                        
saying this change slants the language and would sway the                                                                       
voters. He stressed that this is a biased question and                                                                          
leads voters in one direction without them considering the                                                                      
entirety of both plans. He continued to argue in support of                                                                     
naming this paragraph "Income Tax" in both plans.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson noted that the inclusion of "No"                                                                        
was no longer before the Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly countered that the reordering of the                                                                         
paragraphs is not biased. He stressed that saying one plan                                                                      
implements an income tax and the other does not, is not                                                                         
unfair.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken opposed the motion and hoped the whole                                                                      
effort does not "boil down" to whether or not there is an                                                                       
income tax. He felt there was much more to the matter than                                                                      
just the tax. He used an example of a grocer placing milk                                                                       
at the back of the store to get shoppers to walk by the                                                                         
other items. He suggested the income tax description should                                                                     
be placed at the end of each plan for the same reason; to                                                                       
get voters to read the other substances of the plans.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly countered that past ballot initiatives                                                                       
showed him that voters have not "taken that stroll through                                                                      
the store." As a result, in his opinion, matters have been                                                                      
brought back before the legislature for repair because the                                                                      
voters did not have all the information laid-out properly.                                                                      
He did not think the question was only about an income tax,                                                                     
but felt the debate would emerge that way.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The motion to amend the amended Amendment #6 FAILED by a                                                                        
vote of 4-5. Senator Pete Kelly, Senator Lyda Green,                                                                            
Senator Dave Donley and Co-Chair John Torgerson voted in                                                                        
favor of the motion.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken moved to amend the amended Amendment #6                                                                     
(10) to delete the last sentence of paragraph 3 in Plan A                                                                       
reading, "These dividends are projected to be $1250 in 2001                                                                     
to $1430 in 2010." Senator Dave Donley objected. Senator                                                                        
Gary Wilken explained his intent was to make the two plans                                                                      
comparable. He noted that Plan B does not contain                                                                               
projections of future dividend payments. He viewed the                                                                          
dividend amount language in Plan A as a promise and should                                                                      
not be included.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips planned to offer a new amendment to                                                                      
insert projected dividends in Plan B after the spreadsheets                                                                     
were received by the Governor's office. He felt that the                                                                        
public has the right to know what the plans do to their                                                                         
dividends to help them make a decision.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley felt balance between the two plans was                                                                      
important, but felt the change should be made to Plan B.                                                                        
Co-Chair John Torgerson stated that there is no Plan B                                                                          
because the Governor has not been consistent in detailing                                                                       
his plan.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley remarked that the ballot should state                                                                       
that the legislature has idea of the projected dividend                                                                         
under the Governor's plan.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken's pointed out that the voter would not                                                                      
get the necessary information only on Election Day because                                                                      
there would be plenty of discussion beforehand.  He                                                                             
described the third paragraph of Plan A, Permanent Fund                                                                         
Dividends, as making three promises. The first is to                                                                            
guarantee a dividend, the second promises how the dividends                                                                     
will be calculated and the third projects the amount of the                                                                     
dividend. He didn't think the projection fit the ballot                                                                         
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips stated that he disagreed with                                                                            
Senator Gary Wilken's assessment.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
By a vote of 5-4, the amendment to the amended Amendment #6                                                                     
(10) was ADOPTED. Senator Randy Phillips, Senator Dave                                                                          
Donley, Senator Al Adams and Senator Sean Parnell cast nay                                                                      
votes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to amend the amended Amendment                                                                     
public safety and transportation" and insert "state                                                                             
government services". He questioned why the earnings                                                                            
reserve account was dedicated for just the three services.                                                                      
Senator Sean Parnell objected.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley pointed out that even if permanent fund                                                                     
earnings are only used for education, public safety and                                                                         
transportation, the effect still frees general funds for                                                                        
other uses. Therefore, he believed Senator Randy Phillips's                                                                     
proposal is a more honest statement, since the current                                                                          
language implies that only the three departments would be                                                                       
allowed to increase. He supported the amendment to the                                                                          
amended amendment                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell disagreed, saying that the proposed                                                                        
language gives the impression that the earnings reserve                                                                         
would be spent on all government services with no                                                                               
stipulation. He argued that the current language in the                                                                         
committee substitute tells the public what the                                                                                  
prioritization will be in a way that can be accounted for.                                                                      
Because of this, he opposed the amendment to the amended                                                                        
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips suggested that it is inconsistent to                                                                     
specify the spending but not specify the reductions. His                                                                        
goal is to make the language consistent.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken commented that during his time on the                                                                       
Committee, he has learned the importance of priorities. He                                                                      
said he asks his constituents what services they feel are                                                                       
most important, because they cannot have everything in                                                                          
times of limited resources. Therefore, he believed this                                                                         
statement is very important since it clearly lists the                                                                          
priorities as education, public safety and transportation,                                                                      
which are the same priorities his constituents value the                                                                        
most. He noted that available funds would be first claimed                                                                      
by those three items, but that the plan does not preclude                                                                       
funding for other services after the priorities are                                                                             
addressed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley remarked that education, public safety                                                                      
and transportation are his priorities also, but wanted the                                                                      
language to state that once the earnings reserve is used to                                                                     
fund the three, general funds are freed to be used for                                                                          
other items.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green asked if the language implies that there                                                                     
is an endowment.  Co-Chair John Torgerson responded that                                                                        
the word "endowment" is not used but he did not know if the                                                                     
implication would be made.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green asked if the plan dictates that the                                                                          
earnings reserve account could be used only for the three                                                                       
services. She also asked if this is this is the first step                                                                      
toward using the earnings reserve account.  Co-Chair John                                                                       
Torgerson felt anything could be read into the language.                                                                        
In his opinion, the three priorities would be the last of                                                                       
all reductions that would be made.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken said the language did not speak to him                                                                      
as an endowment, it just gave a very strong commitment to                                                                       
the priority. He spoke to the projected growth allowed for                                                                      
the three services while the rest of state government would                                                                     
be held flat. He surmised that this language backs up the                                                                       
plan and the inclusion of growth allowance on the                                                                               
spreadsheets.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman didn't disagree that these services are                                                                     
high priority items.  However, the noted that there is a                                                                        
big difference between identifying something as a high                                                                          
priority and not scrutinizing expenditures to find better                                                                       
ways to deliver services. He stated he would support the                                                                        
amendment but felt the high priority services should be                                                                         
scrutinized as high as the others would.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The amendment to the amended Amendment #6 (11) FAILED to be                                                                     
adopted by a vote of 4-5. Senator Lyda Green, Senator Randy                                                                     
Phillips, Senator Dave Donley and Senator Loren Leman voted                                                                     
in favor of the motion.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to conceptually amend the                                                                          
amended Amendment #6 (12) to insert projected dividend                                                                          
amounts for the years 2001 and 2010 from spreadsheets                                                                           
detailing Plan A and Plan B with the language, "these                                                                           
dividends are projected to be. " He noted that the                                                                              
projected numbers were not yet available yet, he wanted to                                                                      
tell the public what the projected dividends would be under                                                                     
each plan.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell objected and pointed out that the only                                                                     
plan adopted by the Governor was that portrayed in the                                                                          
State of the State address. However, the spreadsheet                                                                            
provided by the Department of Revenue at this meeting                                                                           
detailing the Governor's plan, reflected a different plan.                                                                      
He surmised that the projections would not be accurate                                                                          
since there is not a clear understanding of the Governor's                                                                      
plan. He did not want to make projections based on anything                                                                     
but the plan detailed in January since that is the only                                                                         
plan the Governor has ratified.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair John Torgerson agreed but noted that the sponsor                                                                       
of the motion did not agree.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Al Adams suggested using the numbers from the                                                                           
spreadsheet before the members today and inserting those                                                                        
projections for the Governor's plan.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There was further discussion about what the Governor's plan                                                                     
currently was, where the information detailed on the                                                                            
spreadsheets came from and whether the Governor had seen                                                                        
those figures                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
By a vote of 3-6, the amendment to the amended amendment                                                                        
FAILED to be adopted. Senator Randy Phillips, Senator Dave                                                                      
Donley and Senator Al Adams cast votes in favor of                                                                              
adoption.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Randy Phillips moved to withdraw his name as the                                                                        
sponsor of the amended Amendment #6 (13). There was                                                                             
clarification as to the intent of the motion. Senator Al                                                                        
Adams objected, noting the Committee had spent time on this                                                                     
amendment. He withdrew his objection and Senator Randy                                                                          
Phillips's name was removed as the sponsor of Amendment #6                                                                      
as amended.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 12:18PM / 12:24PM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly moved for adoption of Amendment #6 as                                                                        
amended. There was objection (inaudible). The amended                                                                           
amendment read as follows:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Plan A                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Summary of Plan A: Plan A has further spending                                                                                  
reductions. Dividends are a percentage of the value of                                                                          
the Alaska Permanent Fund. This plan has no personal                                                                            
income tax.                                                                                                                     
(1) Spending Reductions/Spending Limits                                                                                         
Continue state general fund budget reductions of                                                                                
at least $70 million over the next two fiscal                                                                                   
years.                                                                                                                          
(2) Permanent Fund                                                                                                              
Guarantee the Alaska Permanent Fund is inflation-                                                                               
proofed to protect the value of the principal of                                                                                
the fund for all Alaskans, including future                                                                                     
generations.                                                                                                                    
(3) Permanent Fund Dividends                                                                                                    
Guarantee a dividend is paid to qualified Alaska                                                                                
residents at a minimum of $1,700 in 1999 and                                                                                    
$1,700 in 2000. Thereafter, the annual dividend                                                                                 
is based on a rate of 2.75 percent of the market                                                                                
value of the Alaska Permanent Fund, including the                                                                               
Alaska Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve Account.                                                                                 
(4) Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve                                                                                             
Guarantees inflation-proofing the Alaska                                                                                        
Permanent Fund and pays Permanent Fund Dividends,                                                                               
then prioritizes remaining funds in the Alaska                                                                                  
Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve Account for                                                                                     
education, public safety, and transportation.                                                                                   
(5) No Income Tax                                                                                                               
Use at least $100 million in new revenues,                                                                                      
instead of implementing new broad-based taxes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Plan B                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Summary of Plan B: Plan B has no further state                                                                                  
spending reductions. Dividends from the Alaska                                                                                  
Permanent Fund are calculated under the current                                                                                 
method. This plan includes a personal income tax.                                                                               
(1) Spending Reductions                                                                                                         
No further reductions to state spending.                                                                                        
(2) Permanent Fund                                                                                                              
Guarantee the Alaska Permanent Fund is inflation-                                                                               
proofed to protect the value of the principal of                                                                                
the fund for all Alaskans, including future                                                                                     
generations.                                                                                                                    
(3) Permanent Fund Dividends                                                                                                    
Dividend will not be changed from the current                                                                                   
formula and method of calculation.                                                                                              
(4) Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve                                                                                             
Immediately transfer $4 billion from the                                                                                        
permanent fund earnings to the Constitutional                                                                                   
Budget Reserve Fund with an additional $4 billion                                                                               
dollars in 2011, and $4 billion dollars in 2020.                                                                                
Spend the Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund                                                                                    
earnings for state government services.                                                                                         
(5) Income Tax                                                                                                                  
Impose a personal income tax on all wage earners                                                                                
projected to be 31 % of a person's federal income                                                                               
tax, collecting $350 million.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley voiced a conceptual concern with the                                                                        
deletion of the projected dividend amounts under Plan B.                                                                        
He felt the current description of Plan B is misleading                                                                         
because ordinary citizens would not see either plan as                                                                          
having an effect on the dividend, since they would not                                                                          
understand the methods of calculation. He believed a                                                                            
disclaimer should be placed in the ballot language that                                                                         
identifies the fact that the legislature does not know the                                                                      
impact on the dividends under Plan B.  He suggested                                                                             
conceptual language to indicate, "because of withdrawals of                                                                     
$4 billion from the permanent fund, the dividends may drop                                                                      
as low as." He could not support the amended amendment on                                                                       
the table without an explanation of the possible impact.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Tape: SFC - 99 #138, Side B    12:26PM                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken wanted the ballot language to include                                                                       
projected dividend amounts. However, he did not support                                                                         
having dividend amounts in one plan but not the other. He                                                                       
suggested reporting the bill out of Committee and inserting                                                                     
the projected dividend amounts into the ballot language                                                                         
later.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken asked if that would satisfy Senator                                                                         
Dave Donley's concerns. Senator Dave Donley responded that                                                                      
the Senate body was waiting for this bill. He didn't know                                                                       
when that information would be available or if there would                                                                      
be an opportunity to insert figures later. He restated he                                                                       
could not support the amendment without the inclusion of                                                                        
either the projected amounts or an explanation of why they                                                                      
are not included.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken clarified what would be before the                                                                          
Senate if Amendment #6 as amended were not adopted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley pointed out that Senator Loren Leman                                                                        
had Amendment #8 that could accomplish his intentions.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly stated the Committee was running out of                                                                      
time and the body of the amendments is positive, reflects                                                                       
the work of the Committee and that it is important the bill                                                                     
passes. He suggested that Senator Dave Donley sign the                                                                          
committee report and indicate the need for further                                                                              
amendments. He noted that Senator Dave Donley would have                                                                        
plenty of opportunities to voice his objections if the bill                                                                     
is not amended to his satisfaction.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley was not asking the Committee to stop                                                                        
actions because of him.  He was just voicing his own                                                                            
opinion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly remarked that if this amendment does not                                                                     
pass, it would only slow the process. He believed it is                                                                         
important that this amendment is incorporated into the                                                                          
committee substitute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #6 as AMENDED was ADOPTED by a vote of 5-4.                                                                           
Senator Loren Leman, Senator Al Adams, Senator Randy                                                                            
Phillips and Senator Dave Donley cast nay votes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #7: This amendment inserts into the ballot                                                                            
language, "Please select one: ___Plan A ___Plan B". The                                                                         
amendment does not specify where on the ballot this is                                                                          
placed. Senator Randy Phillips moved for adoption. Senator                                                                      
Pete Kelly objected to ask whether the amendment asks the                                                                       
voter to chose Plan A and/or Plan B. Senator Randy Phillips                                                                     
clarified that the question is simply Plan A or Plan B. He                                                                      
offered to change the question if the Committee preferred.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell offered a technical amendment to                                                                           
instruct the bill drafter to conform this amendment to the                                                                      
remainder of the bill should it pass. He noted it would                                                                         
require a change to the language in the preamble as well as                                                                     
a change to language in the body of the bill. The current                                                                       
committee substitute stipulates each plan has a "yes" or                                                                        
"no" choice, thus allowing the voter to vote in opposition                                                                      
to both plans.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly removed his objection.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley objected. He believed it was important                                                                      
to give the voters a choice to vote against both plans.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly commented that in some respects, the                                                                         
legislature was advocating its responsibility. However, he                                                                      
believed these are special circumstances because the plan                                                                       
is very large. He assessed the expectation of the public is                                                                     
that balanced budget plans will be presented to them. He                                                                        
warned that if the legislature further advocated its                                                                            
responsibility by placing plans before voters that could                                                                        
possibly give no direction, essentially nothing is                                                                              
accomplished. He admonished that a year's worth of debate                                                                       
will have been wasted. He noted that the current ballot                                                                         
language presents four possibilities for the voters to                                                                          
select with the yes or no option available for each plan.                                                                       
He cautioned that the election could result in no winner or                                                                     
a plan that wins with only 26-percent of the votes. He                                                                          
stressed that the legislature needs to provide more                                                                             
leadership than that. He noted that there has been a great                                                                      
deal of public input in the matter already and that the                                                                         
legislature has responded to the objections raised. "It is                                                                      
now time to put before them a plan - A or B, and live with                                                                      
the consequences."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley respected that opinion but disagreed                                                                        
with it.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green wanted to know there was a possibility                                                                       
that neither plan would be voted as acceptable.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
By a vote of 4-5, the amendment FAILED to be adopted.                                                                           
Senator Randy Phillips, Senator Loren Leman, Senator Gary                                                                       
Wilken and Senator Pete Kelly voted in favor of the motion.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #5: No motion was made to reintroduce this                                                                            
amendment so it was WITHDRAWN.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #8: This amendment changes the election date to                                                                       
October 5, and changes the ballot language to the                                                                               
following:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
QUESTION                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Preamble: The state treasury's reliance upon declining                                                                          
Alaska oil production and volatile oil prices                                                                                   
constitutes an unsustainable state budget system. The                                                                           
legislature and governor seek Alaskan's input in                                                                                
selecting a long-term balanced budget plan. Please                                                                              
mark `yes" beside the plan that you believe the                                                                                 
legislature and governor should implement                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
"Plan A" Description                                                                                                            
Summary of Plan A: This plan proposes further spending                                                                          
reductions and that dividends will be guaranteed at a                                                                           
particular rate. This plan also proposes no personal                                                                            
income tax. In more detail, the plan would provide as                                                                           
follows:                                                                                                                        
(1) Spending Reductions/Spending Limit: Continue making                                                                         
state general fund spending reductions of at least                                                                              
$70,000,000 over the next two years and enact a                                                                                 
constitutional spending limit.                                                                                                  
(2) Permanent Fund: Ensure the Alaska permanent fund is                                                                         
inflation proofed to protect the value of its                                                                                   
principal for all Alaskans, including future                                                                                    
generations.                                                                                                                    
(3) Permanent Fund Dividends: Guarantee a dividend is                                                                           
paid to qualified Alaska residents of at least $1,700                                                                           
in 1999 and $1,700 in 2000, and thereafter at a rate                                                                            
of 2.75 percent of the market value of the Alaska                                                                               
permanent fund, including the Alaska permanent fund                                                                             
earnings reserve account.                                                                                                       
(4) Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve: After inflation                                                                            
proofing the Alaska permanent fund and paying                                                                                   
permanent fund dividends, use additional funds in the                                                                           
Alaska permanent fund earnings reserve account to                                                                               
fund state government. The constitutional budget                                                                                
reserve fund will be transferred to the Alaska                                                                                  
permanent fund earnings reserve account.                                                                                        
(5) New Revenues: Collect at least $100,000,000                                                                                 
in new revenues. A personal income tax would not                                                                                
be enacted.                                                                                                                     
Plan A [  ]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
"Plan B" Description                                                                                                            
Summary of Plan: Plan B proposes no further state                                                                               
spending reductions. Further, it proposes                                                                                       
implementation of a personal income tax, and                                                                                    
calculation of permanent fund dividends under the                                                                               
current statutory method. In more detail, the plan                                                                              
would provide as follows:                                                                                                       
(1) Spending Reductions/Spending Limits:   Make not                                                                             
further state general fund spending reductions nor                                                                              
enact a constitutional spending limit.                                                                                          
(2) Permanent Fund: Ensure the Alaska permanent fund is                                                                         
inflation proofed to protect the value of its                                                                                   
principal for all Alaskans, including future                                                                                    
generations.                                                                                                                    
(3) Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve: Transfer                                                                                   
$4,000,000,000 from permanent fund earnings to the                                                                              
constitutional budget reserve fund. Use                                                                                         
constitutional budget reserve fund earnings to fund                                                                             
government operations.                                                                                                          
(4) Permanent Fund Dividends: The formula for                                                                                   
calculating the dividend would not be changed from                                                                              
the current method of calculation.                                                                                              
(5) New Revenues: Implement a personal income tax to                                                                            
collect $350,000,000 in new revenues.                                                                                           
Plan B [  ]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Loren Leman moved for adoption.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 12:40PM / 12:44PM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman prepared this amendment in the interest                                                                     
of saving time, but noted that the Committee had already                                                                        
spent that time in debating Amendment #6.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Loren Leman moved to WITHDRAW his motion to adopt                                                                       
Amendment #8. There was no objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Sean Parnell made a motion to report CS SB 76 (FIN)                                                                     
as amended from Committee with accompanying fiscal note.                                                                        
There was no objection and it was so ordered.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                

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